The general public do not seem to understand that the law abiding Australian firearms owner is NOT a criminal. Constantly there are calls for tougher firearms legislation, all aimed at making it harder for the legitimate would be law abiding gun owner to actually own a gun. The government have introduced more laws to make it even more difficult for gun owners to purchase ammunition, again, all aimed at law abiding citizens. What will it take for the general public, & the government to start making it harder for the criminals in our society to obtain guns.
We keep saying it over & over, take our guns away, & the only people with guns will be the police & the criminals. We do not have the right to own a gun to defend ourselves & our families from criminals, why not?! Who's bloody side are the politicians on? We, the law abiding citizen gun owners are doing all we can to protect our guns & keep them safe, but we need your help, the general public to do that. You should be out there demanding stiffer penalties for criminals involved in gun related crime. You should be out there demanding better health care for the mentally ill. You should be out there demanding that the government crack down on the sale & use of illegal drugs, this all affects the misuse of firearms in our community.
So stop blaming us, we are NOT the enemy, we are NOT the criminal. We are just normal people trying to get on with our lives & enjoy the normal appreciation of firearms as they have been appreciated for hundreds of years. If you don't like guns, fine, but that does not give you the right to penalise us because we do like guns, we have a right to like guns, we have a right to own guns. We are free Australian citizens, & so long as we are not breaking any laws, we have the same rights as you. Don't be a party to making laws that will make us criminals.
Keith H. Burgess 23/01/2015.
Bullshit From The Greens.
“Following the 1996
Port Arthur massacre, the Howard government led the process of formulating the
National Firearms agreement with the view of introducing and harmonising
firearms laws across Australia. All semi-automatic long arm weapons were banned
and a large-scale national buyback was instigated.
Since then, however, gun laws in NSW
have been watered down due to political pressure from the Shooters Party,
moving NSW away from the National Firearms agreement and increasing the number
of guns and gun owners in NSW. http://davidshoebridge.org.au/portfolios-2/firearms/
Gun laws watered down?
Can anyone tell me exactly what it is that we have now that we did not have
then? Semi-auto guns are still banned in NSW. Pump action guns are restricted
by licence to professional shooters only.
“New figures released today show that almost 200,000
native ducks have been shot dead by amateur hunters in NSW over the last five
years. This industrial scale killing is said to be for the protection of rice
crops. The Greens and animal rescuers are calling for an end to the amateur
hunting of our native
http://davidshoebridge.org.au/portfolios-2/firearms/
As far as I know, duck
hunting has been banned in NSW for the past several years.
Traditional
duck hunting was effectively banned under the Carr Government, but the passage
of theGame and Feral Animal Control Further Amendment Act 2012 will re-introduce duck hunting under a
system that puts limits on where, when and how many ducks can be hunted, but
not in the usual form of open seasons.
Instead, in areas where the new Native Game Bird
Management Committee considers populations need to be managed, licensed hunters
will be allowed to shoot them.
“The application process has been streamlined through
Game Council, which frees up resources to better help our farmers,” Mr Mumford
said.
At least one ongoing hurdle remains for NSW hunters:
opportunities to sit the compulsory waterfowl identification test (WIT) are
currently limited. They are conducted by the Victorian government, the
Victorian-based Field & Game Australia, and the NSW NPWS out of its
Griffith office”.
http://www.sportingshootermag.com.au/news/low-key-start-for-nsw-duck-hunters
So what has happened
is, that due to duck hunting being banned, the numbers of ducks have increased;
which is a good thing, but, there are now more ducks feeding on farm crops. So
the hunting of ducks is now restricted to farm crops only.
The Greens Firearms Policy.
FIREARMS
Revised March 2014
Principles
The Greens NSW believe:
1. Public
firearms policy should be concerned with the prevention of firearm violence and
be directed towards the removal of objects that cause injury and death; (What
they are saying is, that all firearms should be taken from law abiding citizens
so that only the police & the criminals have firearms).
2. Public policy should be underpinned
by World Health Organisation standards and the resolutions outlined
Australasian Police Ministers Council Agreement on Firearms. ;( I
have no idea what this means. Anyone?).
3. The availability of firearms
contributes to violence in our society; (It may well do, but only the
illegal guns available to criminals through the black market, NOT the guns
owned & secured by law abiding licenced gun owners).
4. There must be a holistic approach to
preventing gun violence, including:
4.1
tough legislation to reduce firearm ownership; (We already have this.
Application for a firearms licence includes a Police check of that person in
regards to any criminal record).
4.2
education on the dangers of firearms; (We already have this, in the
mandatory firearms licence test).
4.3
long term funding for programs that help to reduce gun violence; (I can’t
argue with this one, but the Abbott government has cut funding to health care
& social services, which is a great pity. Mental illness is a problem,
& it is being ignored. Same with drugs; Both contribute to gun violence).
4.4
support for intelligence based policing to prevent firearm crime; and
4.5
ongoing funding for research into preventing gun violence. (This is really
just so much dribble, I mean just what does this statement mean? We do not need
to spend any more of the tax payers dollars, we already know where the problem
lies. We need a better health service, we need to crack down on crime &
drugs. End of story).
5.
The aims and tactics of the gun lobby must be publicly exposed. (They have
already been made public. Whilst I will agree that there are some gun lobby
factions out there that do not put forward sensible reforms, the majority of
gun owners, like myself, only want a fair go. We are not out to reintroduce
automatic or semi-auto guns, but we would like to reduce the cost to the law
abiding gun owner & the tax payers of Australia by removing useless,
pointless, & needless legislation).
6.
Rural owners of licensed firearms should limit their use of firearms to
legitimate farm purposes and minimise disturbance of people on neighbouring
properties. (Now what the bloody hell is this comment about? Now farmers are
on the firing line?! We use our firearms for the shooting of feral animals,
that is not only our right, but it is in fact our responsibility! Since when
have we been known to interfere with our neighbours in this regard?!).
7.
That personal protection should never be regarded as a genuine reason for
owning, possessing or using a firearm. (Well this will not likely ever
happen, but this statement is being made by a Greens member who has absolutely
no idea what he is talking about. There are, & always will be, times when
someone will need a firearm to protect themselves & their family. Just
think sensibly yourself for a moment, what would you do if confronted in your
own home by someone with a knife or an axe or a base ball bat who intends to
injure you or kill you. You are the only one standing between this violent
criminal & your family members. You think you have time to call the police?
How long will they take to arrive? You & your loved ones could be dead by
then. DO NOT say this could not happen, it has already for many people, &
it will again. To say that we do not have the right to protect ourselves &
our families is ridiculous & inhuman).
Policy detail
The Greens NSW will
work towards:
8. Legislation which
brings NSW laws into line with the 1996 Australasian Police Ministers Agreement
on firearms;
9. A total ban on
the ownership, importation and use of semi-automatic firearms; (Personally I
don’t have a problem with this, but guns of this type, already confiscated by
the police, have been turning up at crime scenes! Military firearms have found
their way onto the black market! Are we going to ban the use of these guns
across the board? Police & Military as well?).
10. An improved
firearms registration system in NSW; (We do not need an improved one, we
already have a registration system in place. This needs removing all
together so we can save the tax payer unneeded expense).
11. Improved
cooperation between the NSW government and other levels of government in
Australia to strengthen national uniform gun laws, firearms training and a
national register of firearms; ( I do not agree with the register, but I
agree with the rest. We do need sensible uniform firearms legislation Australia
wide).
12. The development
(with the appropriate rights of appeal and protection of privacy) of the most
stringent mechanisms to ensure that those who are not fit and proper to possess
a licence to own a gun do not get a licence; (This is already in
place).
13. Tighter
legislated minimum standards for the refusal and cancellation of licenses,
including:
13.1 Conviction of
violent offences within the past five years;
13.2 Being subject
to an Apprehended or Domestic Violence Order within the past five years; and
13.3 Mental or
physical fitness. (Already in place; These comments are just
pandering to the general public & anti-gun lobbyists to make the Greens
look go0d).
14. The abolition
of existing minors' permits; (Stupid
comment & totally irresponsible. We need to teach proper & safe gun use
to minors so that they will be responsible & safe gun owners).
15. All persons
seeking a licence being required to:
15.1 Have no
criminal record involving violence, have a character reference from an
authorised member of the community and the right of veto by household
(immediate relatives or partners) members; (The criminal record part is just
repeating what they have already said, & it is not necessary. This
legislation is already in place. The rest of this comment is simply unreasonable.
The applicant may not be known by an “authorised member of the community”,
whoever that may be?! You think family members should have control over your
life just because you don’t get on?! Total cods wallop).
15.2 Undergo a 28
day waiting period to enable check for a criminal record (including
applications for a second or subsequent firearm); (The criminal record check
is already done before the licence is issued, so this is rubbish. There is
already a 28 day waiting period before you can purchase a gun, which again is a
total waste of time & serves absolutely no purpose other than to frustrate the
law abiding would-be gun owner).
15.3 Demonstrate
safety knowledge; (Again, just repeating what they have already said, this
requirement is already in place as part of the firearms licensing test).
15.4 Establish good
and genuine reasons for possessing a licence (e.g. persons with an occupational
requirement, e.g. primary producers, other rural purposes, security employees
and professional shooters for nominated purposes or a member of an approved
sports shooting association); (Nothing mentioned here about the recreational
hunter or the person who needs to hunt for food. Yes, these people exist.
Recreational hunters do a terrific job of cutting down the numbers of feral
animals that are at present a threat to our environment & native wildlife. These
hunters, despite what the Greens will tell you, do mote for the eradication of
feral pests than any other organisation in Australia).
15.5 Undergo tests
for licences conducted by the police, or an independent government body, rather
than by members of the NSW Sporting Shooters' Association; and, (This would
cost the tax payer even more money. The police department don’t have enough
hours in the day to fight crime as it is, & the Greens want to give them
more work to do! The licensing system is working just fine as it is, in fact,
the firearms group members know more about firearms than the police do, &
this is a known fact!).
15.6 Be required to
renew licences at regular intervals with the payment of a fee to cover
government costs, with licences to be issued for a period of no more than 5
years; (Already in place).
16. Sale and
purchase of firearms and ammunition only through licenced firearms dealers; (Already
in place).
17. Legislation
that allows the sale of ammunition only for those firearms for which the
purchaser is licensed, with a limitation on the amount of ammunition that can be
purchased at any given time; (Already in place. In fact, there has been
another stupid requirement added, which means that you can only purchase ammo
for the guns registered in your name, & you have to produce the
registration at the gun dealers! This means that the gun dealer now has your
details & home address! These details are not secure! And my wife, though a
licensed gun owner, can’t purchase ammo for her own gun because as a farm
firearm it is registered in my name! How bloody stupid is that?!).
18. Registration of
firearms at the time of purchase with details to be sent immediately to police
for registration; (More work for the gun dealer & rather pointless, as
there is already a record of the buyer)
19. A ban on
mail-order sales of firearms and ammunition; (Already in place. Guns must be
posted to a licensed gun dealer & picked up from there).
20. A state-wide
register of all ammunition bought and sold in NSW; (What is the point of
this, we have already demonstrated that there is a restriction on ammunition
sales, so this would just add more expense for the Australian tax payer!).
21. A prohibition
on guns being stored: (Guns being stored. What does this mean? We already
have regulation gun safes which are mandatory, are they saying we should not
have safes? Or are they talking about hoarding firearms? Having more than one
firearm?).
21.1 In rural homes
without good reason; and (In rural homes without good reason? Sorry, this
one goes over my head. I thought we had already covered this one under rural
land holder’s responsibilities?!).
21.2 In urban
homes, except where a licence is granted for antique gun collectors (defined as
manufactured prior to 1920) and the guns have been disabled; (What is all
this about? The antique date by the way is 1901, NOT 1920, get your dates
right! They want to ruin an antique by disabling it?! When there is no ammunition
available for these guns anyway! Read the regs Greens).
22. All ammunition
must be stored in locked containers separate from any firearms; ( Already in
place)
23. Guns in urban
areas are to be stored at gun clubs under lock and key, with firing mechanisms
kept at designated police stations; (Ah yes, this is to make it easier for
criminals to steal all the guns at once from just one place, brilliant, NOT!).
24. Regular
unannounced checks by police or another enforcement body to ensure that
individuals and clubs are abiding with firearm storage regulations; (Already
in place, in fact this is NSW wide for all firearms owners, not just clubs).
25. Enforcement of
regulations requiring guns in homes in rural communities to be kept in a metal
box with a combination lock securely bolted to wall or floor, with firing
mechanisms and ammunition locked in a similar box in a separate room; (Give
me a break Greens. We already have regulation gun safes bolted to the floor,
now you want us to put in more safes in another room of the house for ammo
& actions?! We already have a separate locked safe for ammo & actions
in the same room as part of present regulations. You are just trying to give us
a hard time. When will you understand that the law abiding community is not the
problem? WE are not the criminals here, so stop treating us as though we
were!).
26. The immediate
and mandatory police confiscation of all firearms from people who show
themselves to be unfit to hold a licence, and where a license has been revoked
- this is to apply to both interim domestic violence order and those who are
subject to a domestic violence order; (I agree with most of this, but the
wording “show themselves to be unfit” is a little ambiguous don’t you think?
Just who makes this decision? No I don’t like that bit).
27. A permanent
amnesty for the surrender of unauthorised firearms and strict penalties for
those people found possessing unauthorised firearms; (Fair enough).
28. The development
of a strict new set of training and testing procedures for all security guards
with all existing security services being required to meet the new standards. (Well
I am ex security, I owned my own security business, & the training required
at the time to obtain a security licence was pretty stringent. I don’t see any
point in adding unneeded requirements. There are some real nasty people getting
security licences, but I fail to see how you can weed these people out with a
test. It is the same with the police, some good ones, & some bad ones. If
you can’t improve on the Australian police force, how do you imagine you can do
any better with security personnel?).
The Newgreen Report By
Chief Inspector Lex Newgreen,
Victorian Police.
End Firearm Registration. Chief
Inspector Newgreen
Herald-Sun 2 November 1990.
COMPULSORY
Registration of all Firearms should be Abolished,
Regulation Gun Safes.
Greens NSW
Firearms Policy PDF.
